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Thursday, October 02, 2008

B & H website on Shabbos 

This screenshot was taken by a non-Frum person of the B & H website during Shabbos.


Comments:
what a kiddush hashem

 

I live in Israel & about a year ago I tried to purchase from them on motzei shabbos here & I got the same thing.

 

This is realy ehrlich. They could have found a heter like people who own vending machines, apartment of office buildings etc. but they chose not to. So they are a sample of haw a erlicher yid should behave.

 

Elliot, who runs Reseda Bicycles, a shop in the San Fernando Valley in California, surprised me by being closed for the first day of Rosh Hashana. Elliot is not shomer shabbos, but he closed down for the first day anyway. A smaller, yet impressive Kiddush Hashem. I'm glad I bought had bought a bicycle from him.

 

No reason not to accept business on an automated website. Another example of Chasid Shoteh.

 

KOL HAKVOD LAHEM REALLY EHRLICHA COMPANY - EASE UP A BIT TOO STRICT BUT I GUESS THAT'S HOW THEY CAN STAY IN BUSINESS

 

cant argue with success, a real satmar'e company, look at their web site they are close for all succus as well.

 

Anonymous : October 02, 2008 4:40 PM

Now that's REAL tipshus! The economy is in the tank and retail sales are going through the floor.

Close the entire Sukkos? Sure, and you may not be around for Chanukah.

How many jobs are put at risk by this shtus?

 

This has only been so for a couple of years. Before that, all was as during the week.

 

I work for B & H. While the website is automated, very often, web orders require customer service intervention. B & H prides itself on quick customer service response and satisfaction, something that we can't provide during Yom Tov and Shabbos. So instead, we don't take orders at times that people can't respond.

 

this image is very old. site has a new look. To the poster of chusid shoteh: you miss the point, not everything is about looking for a heter. It's about being ehrlich in business

 

Only an Am Ha'aretz can state: "No reason not to accept business on an automated website. Another example of Chasid Shoteh."

There are many reasons not to conduct automated business on Shabbos and Yom Tov. There are kulo's that are generally accepted by most Poskim, but if one does not want to rely on them, Tovoi Olov Bracha. A Shoiteh sees the world krum and then calls a Yoshor a Chasid Shoiteh!

 

acourdin reb Moshe (legabi a vendind macheine) you are not aloud to have hanaha for a mase shabbos but you can use the money to pay fines that some one sued (if al pi torah you are not mechiuv to pay) so listen B&H I think that latly someone sued you some big cash so open your internet for the next few weeks to you earnd enough to pay it

 

Anonymous : October 02, 2008 4:40 PM


you don't understand the concept,
shabbos, and yom tov, are the blessings for the person,
talk to your rav, to Spiritualize you about shabbos and yom tov
than maybe you will understand what
shabbos and yom tov are all about.

 

I work for B & H. While the website is automated, very often, web orders require customer service intervention.
I do too. The issue is that credit cards are charged when the order is submitted. If the site accepts an order during Shabbos, charging the card would be a problem.

 

To: Moish : October 02, 2008 11:46 PM

Not to avail yourself of a kula when it has been legitimitized by a recognized gadol, is in of itself a ma'aseh tipshus and is indeed the act of a chasid shoteh. "Suffering is a virtue" is now the hallmark of farfrumte and farkrumte yidden.

 

Also to the sceptical commenters, I have a friend who works there as well in sales. He has told me other stories about how they were moser nefesh on VERY BIG sales when Sukkos was coming up. Someone said that if they close on Sukkos, they won't be open for Chanukah! Very funny. I understand that they have been closing for Sukkos (even Chol Hamoed) for years already and they are tremendously successful! A lot of their business is with the Govt. as well, and the people there are very impressed by a company that puts morals and values over making a buck and it earns them more respect and more sales as well, because of that respect. Kol Hakavod to B & H. B"H for such a company that is marbeh k'vod Shomayim!

-Dixie Yid

 

What's wrong with people processing their orders and then having B & H confirming the order after Shabbos following the credit card transaction?

 

just because a rav says its ok for them to take orders, doesnt mean it is the best option.

R' Moshe held that ALL MILK in the U.S. was considered chalav yisorel and does not need a hechsher, because we as jews can trust that nothing is going wrong with the milk. does that mean that chalav yisroel milk is tipshus? no it means that one is ok, and the other is better!!!!

 

To R' Anonymous on October 03, 2008 10:46 AM

You must learn the difference between the well established concept of "V'Hamachmir Tovoi Olov Bracha" and the concept of disregarding a legitimitized kula by a recognized gadol. It can be a ma'aseh tipshus and is indeed sometimes the act of a chasid shoteh, particularly when you're being frum on yenner's cheshbon or when you are wasting or destroying an existing item of substantial value due to your chumra. Nevertheless, even under such wasteful circumstances, if it is done purely and ehrlich L'Shem Shomayim, it is a virtue and is the hallmark of an ehrliche yid. A farkrumte yid davens for a good gebentche year and then looks at an exemplary business and its directors with an Ayin Ra. May we all be zoiche to a G'mar Chasima Toiva and try to judge each other favorably. WE SHOULD TRY TO LEARN FROM OTHER'S VALUES, NOT SEEK HOW TO DISCREDIT AND KNOCK OTHERS. It won't help for our own Din V'Cheshbon.

 

It is beautiful to see a Jew who is willing to sacrifice for his Jewishness. May Hashem continue to give him loads of Parnassah.

 

Anyone that knows someone close to that company can tell you that it's purely by the grace of HKBH that the business is as successful as it is. Kol Hakavod.

To the skeptics, the example with cholov yisroel is appropriate (or shayich if you want.) R' Moshe gave a heter so obviously it's legitimate if you go by him (chassidim generally don't); nevertheless he did not drink cholov stam and neither did he encourage others to.

Hashem should continue to bentch this company with hatzlacha for many years!

 

I have a question for all you poskim here:

Why is the website even operating on Shabbos?

On Shabbos, when anyone types in www.bhphotovideo.com why don't they get back a message saying "Closed for the Sabbath. Please come back on Saturday after [insert most machmir z'man for motzoei Shabbos here]?"

If you don't take orders, why do you allow others to perform melachos on Shabbos? Some of them may be Jews.

 

B&H is correct. They are a company that does chesed and are true chassidim in the original intent of the word.

The fact that a "Heter" exists, does NOT obligate one to take that heter. We don't build Jewish lives or businesses on "Heterim."

Not every rov agrees with the heter anyway.

By the way, They are NOT the only frum website which does not do business on Shabbosim and Yomim Tovim. ArtScroll's website changes to a pair of Shabbos Candles a few min. before the zman and only reverts back to a working website after Havdulah.

Tallis-n-Tefillin.com BEGS all customers to not use their website on Shabbos, as well as other websites.

Many people, by the way, do not accept that heter on vending machines either.

 

It is very difficult to take a website off-line for Shabbos. First of all, if Google scans/spiders the site on Shabbos, it will find a dead site, or one which goes nowhere, and will not see all the detail pages linked to that main page.

The website will then drop back from the first few pages, which are all people look at, down to the boondocks where no one ever looks.

This would kill all the efforts the website owner went through to get the site listed. Big loss of money.

By leaving it up, and just disabling the shopping cart, one does not break Shabbos, but one only suffers the loss of Shabbos business, without killing his entire business.

 

If not for the demise of 47th Street Photo, the B&H of the 1980's, B&H would most likely still be a small store on 17th Street, somewhere next to Adorama.

 

I find it puzzling that there would be people who would find anything negative to say about such an impressive display of kiddush Hashem! Do you not think that Hashem in his infinite ways cannot find a way to recoup any losses B&H have from closing Sukkos? Is Hashem saying "what are they doing, such shtusim"?? Wake up people....it's wonderful, beautiful and we should all learn from this to also have some emunah in the Ribono shel Olam.

 

dont know why you guys woke up now this is such a old thing but of course im not making away the gevaldegeh kiddush hashem that hes performing every time he has his site closed for odering on shabbos and yom tov

 

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