Friday, September 22, 2006
The rest of the story with Yudel Shain's rest of the story
This post is not meant to be anything more than a partial introduction of Yudel Shain.
Thirteen years ago a Rabbi from Lakewood, New Jersey had heard about Rubashkin's shlachthouse in Iowa and their reputation of delivering affordable, Kosher and quality meats to the Jewish communities in New York. This Rabbi saw this as a potential opportunity to help himself and Rubashkin at the same time. He made a proposal to Rubashkin to import their meat to the oilem in New Jersey. Rubashkin was more than happy to oblige. The Rabbi however said that he would first have to inspect their plant personally to make sure that it was up to his Kashrus standards. Rubashkin obliged. The Rabbi came to Postville, Iowa and spent three full days inspecting the entire plant. The Rabbi heralded the Kashrus and efficiency of the Rubashkin operation, so much so that he proposed to begin his importing of the meat right away. Now only one thing was left to do, negotiate the specifics of the financials. This Rabbi was quite a businessman, only one problem, he was a bit too greedy. He wanted a full 10% commission of all meats important. Rubashkin was appalled by this request, saying that he did not work this way and that the 10% commission was out of the question. The Rabbi did not want to budge from his price and said that if he did not have his offer met he would not go through with the importing. Rubashkin made it clear that he would not either budge and thus the proposed business deal was absolved. The Rabbi from then on promised that he would make it his personal business to bring down Rubashkin. Can you guess which Kashrus buff from Lakewood the Rabbi is? Now you know the real rest of the story.
This post is not meant to be anything more than a partial introduction of Yudel Shain.
Thirteen years ago a Rabbi from Lakewood, New Jersey had heard about Rubashkin's shlachthouse in Iowa and their reputation of delivering affordable, Kosher and quality meats to the Jewish communities in New York. This Rabbi saw this as a potential opportunity to help himself and Rubashkin at the same time. He made a proposal to Rubashkin to import their meat to the oilem in New Jersey. Rubashkin was more than happy to oblige. The Rabbi however said that he would first have to inspect their plant personally to make sure that it was up to his Kashrus standards. Rubashkin obliged. The Rabbi came to Postville, Iowa and spent three full days inspecting the entire plant. The Rabbi heralded the Kashrus and efficiency of the Rubashkin operation, so much so that he proposed to begin his importing of the meat right away. Now only one thing was left to do, negotiate the specifics of the financials. This Rabbi was quite a businessman, only one problem, he was a bit too greedy. He wanted a full 10% commission of all meats important. Rubashkin was appalled by this request, saying that he did not work this way and that the 10% commission was out of the question. The Rabbi did not want to budge from his price and said that if he did not have his offer met he would not go through with the importing. Rubashkin made it clear that he would not either budge and thus the proposed business deal was absolved. The Rabbi from then on promised that he would make it his personal business to bring down Rubashkin. Can you guess which Kashrus buff from Lakewood the Rabbi is? Now you know the real rest of the story.
Comments:
now if the morons who made the movie the gesheft made it about the meat industry it may have been a blockbuster.
AHA! I knew that the monsey chicken (and meat) story was just a nasty rumor. Phew. What a relief.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by 
: September 24, 2006 8:26 PM
: September 24, 2006 8:26 PM
where did you get this information? i think you should be very careful about saying such things
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 24, 2006 9:25 PM
: September 24, 2006 9:25 PM
that guy shain is a real fraud he prob made ten precent of the meat shevach sold
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 24, 2006 9:59 PM
: September 24, 2006 9:59 PM
If this is the 'behind the scene' impetus for the mud-slinging at the Rubaskins for creating a great family business, we can now understand some of the other ill-wind blowing in the same direction. It's almost impossible to find "truthful" people now-a-days. Thank you for posting this.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 24, 2006 10:21 PM
: September 24, 2006 10:21 PM
No sources? No proof? Just plain Motzei La'az erev Rosh HaShana? Wow! AL CHET SHECAHTANU LEFANECHA - B'MAKEH RAYAHU B'SEISER!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 12:34 AM
: September 25, 2006 12:34 AM
I am making a official ME-CHU. I don't know this Shain fellow from adam, but I do know that Moitzai Shem Ru is 100% assur m'dioraysu. Actually it no different than feeding trief chickens to people. Think about it! Is there no beeshe to post these malicious articles? Please help k'lal yisruel and remove this article!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 6:39 AM
: September 25, 2006 6:39 AM
The Rubashkins can't think of anywhere else besides this sewer-room blog to post their lowlife mudslinging lies ??!!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 10:17 AM
: September 25, 2006 10:17 AM
I DON'T KNOW SHAIN EITHER
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS IF SOMEONE CAN GO ON THE RADIO (ZEV BRENNER SHOW)AND SAY IF BESHAS HADCAK HE WOULD RATHER EAT "HEBREW NATIONAL" OVER RUBASHKIN THE GUY HAS GOT SOME SERIOUS ISSUES AND THERE IS NO Motzei La'az ON HIM!!!
AND JUST BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT ON SHEVACH ( IM NOT SURE HE EVEN KNEW, MAYBE JUST MUD THROWING) DOESNT MEAN HES RIGHT ON OTHER STUFF
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS IF SOMEONE CAN GO ON THE RADIO (ZEV BRENNER SHOW)AND SAY IF BESHAS HADCAK HE WOULD RATHER EAT "HEBREW NATIONAL" OVER RUBASHKIN THE GUY HAS GOT SOME SERIOUS ISSUES AND THERE IS NO Motzei La'az ON HIM!!!
AND JUST BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT ON SHEVACH ( IM NOT SURE HE EVEN KNEW, MAYBE JUST MUD THROWING) DOESNT MEAN HES RIGHT ON OTHER STUFF
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 10:48 AM
: September 25, 2006 10:48 AM
if you can not prove the facts, do not post the rumors you motzi laaz!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 12:27 PM
: September 25, 2006 12:27 PM
This is pure fiction. Rubashkin meat was sold in Lakewood over ten years ago. Anyone could walk into Kosher Experience in Shoprite and pick up Rubashkin meat. What did they need Reb Yudel Shain for?
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 3:13 PM
: September 25, 2006 3:13 PM
kudos to Chaptzem for telling it like it is, and for preventing the character assassination of the esteemed Rubashkin family. He also is Motzie Laaz on all the Choshuve Rabbonim who gave and give the Hechsher on Rubashkin, including the Margaretener Rov, the Kaj, and Rav Weissmandl, not to mention the OU.
Yesw, they had Rubashkin in limited quantities in Lakewood, BUT WITHOUT THE YESHIVISHE STAMP OF APPROVAL! Yudel Shain was meant to do that, and now he's blackmailing them. He's a shakedown artist, nothing more. His own family is embarrassed by him, and they shop at Rubashkin's!!!!!!!!!!!
Yesw, they had Rubashkin in limited quantities in Lakewood, BUT WITHOUT THE YESHIVISHE STAMP OF APPROVAL! Yudel Shain was meant to do that, and now he's blackmailing them. He's a shakedown artist, nothing more. His own family is embarrassed by him, and they shop at Rubashkin's!!!!!!!!!!!
He was right about Shevach - only because he baredt EVERYONE at one point or another - he's bound to be right at some point.
He's well known in Lakewood as "not having enough ne'emonus to make a rayuso" (according to a local rov)
When he worked for/with OK - they were the greatest, as soon as they ended the relationship - you couldn't hear a nice word about them.
He gives the label "Ben Torah" a bad name
He's well known in Lakewood as "not having enough ne'emonus to make a rayuso" (according to a local rov)
When he worked for/with OK - they were the greatest, as soon as they ended the relationship - you couldn't hear a nice word about them.
He gives the label "Ben Torah" a bad name
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 9:25 PM
: September 25, 2006 9:25 PM
While Yehuda Shain might have been right about Shevach Meats, This does not give him a license to say every olther Hechsher is treif! Yes there are many problems with all the Hechshairim out therer, but if you believe Shain you can only drink water and eat vegetables after it was checked by him for bugs. And by the way the water might be recycled so it may be fleisig!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 25, 2006 9:49 PM
: September 25, 2006 9:49 PM
I know Shain, and I would take his word on Kashrus issues over anyone else's. I don't think that this story is true and it is pure motzei shem rah.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 12:50 AM
: September 26, 2006 12:50 AM
The "Chashuva" Rubashkin Family? Whom are you kidding? They set Kashrus back 100 years in america by their shenanigans. Remember PETA? They proved that Rubashkin meat is only Kosher b'dieved.
It will only be a matter of time before the Yiddishe Velt realizes that Rubashkin made the situation worse.
It will only be a matter of time before the Yiddishe Velt realizes that Rubashkin made the situation worse.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 6:12 AM
: September 26, 2006 6:12 AM
wow u guys are talking about moizte shem ra
at the same time bashing and talking so rude about rubashkin moizte sehm ra dosnt make a diff what jew he can be homeless or a a rabbi u shouldnt talk bad aboutv anyone
i dont know rubashkin i live in boro park but i eat his meat and thanks to him thousands of jews worldwide are eating KOSHER meat
so all of u should ask mechila before yom kippur from rubashkin or anyone else u are saying lies about
at the same time bashing and talking so rude about rubashkin moizte sehm ra dosnt make a diff what jew he can be homeless or a a rabbi u shouldnt talk bad aboutv anyone
i dont know rubashkin i live in boro park but i eat his meat and thanks to him thousands of jews worldwide are eating KOSHER meat
so all of u should ask mechila before yom kippur from rubashkin or anyone else u are saying lies about
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 10:35 AM
: September 26, 2006 10:35 AM
What ever happened to the guy from Shevach? Did they find him?
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 11:28 AM
: September 26, 2006 11:28 AM
He can be trusted to say something's kosher (at least he hasn't been caught YET) - but he absolutely CANNOT be believed at all to say something is treif
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 12:08 PM
: September 26, 2006 12:08 PM
September 26, 2006 6:12 AM
ITS EASY TO SAY THINGS BUT TO PROVE IS ANOTHER YOU DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO PROVE WHAT YOUR SPEWING!!!
(LUBAVITCH HATER?)
YOU BRING PROOF FROM PETA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
THEY WOULDN'T LET YOU DO KAPOROS IF IT WAS UP TO THEM!!!!!
THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT AFTER RUBASKIN IS CAUSE THEY ARE THE BIGGEST KOSHER SLAUGHTER HOUSE, ITS THE EASIEST TO INFILTRATE AND THEY GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK
AT THE END OF THE DAY RUBASHKIN DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE MUCH IN THE WAY ITS DONE
ITS EASY TO SAY THINGS BUT TO PROVE IS ANOTHER YOU DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO PROVE WHAT YOUR SPEWING!!!
(LUBAVITCH HATER?)
YOU BRING PROOF FROM PETA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
THEY WOULDN'T LET YOU DO KAPOROS IF IT WAS UP TO THEM!!!!!
THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT AFTER RUBASKIN IS CAUSE THEY ARE THE BIGGEST KOSHER SLAUGHTER HOUSE, ITS THE EASIEST TO INFILTRATE AND THEY GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK
AT THE END OF THE DAY RUBASHKIN DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE MUCH IN THE WAY ITS DONE
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 1:14 PM
: September 26, 2006 1:14 PM
"Remember PETA? They proved that Rubashkin meat is only Kosher b'dieved."
I see, never mind the fact that Rabbonei Machshir from a half-dozen Kashrus organizations signed a letter at that time stating that the Kashrus of Agriprocessors meat "was never impacted".
Anyways, Shain's objections are rendered moot by the very words of those he cites in support. He brings Rav Weissmandl's decade-old "objections" to certain AP practices as "proof" that they are unreliable and, yet, glosses over the fact that Weissmandl continues to give his "ashirah" to AP's operations to this day!
As I said elsewhere, it's "Who you gonna believe; me or your lying eyes?"
I see, never mind the fact that Rabbonei Machshir from a half-dozen Kashrus organizations signed a letter at that time stating that the Kashrus of Agriprocessors meat "was never impacted".
Anyways, Shain's objections are rendered moot by the very words of those he cites in support. He brings Rav Weissmandl's decade-old "objections" to certain AP practices as "proof" that they are unreliable and, yet, glosses over the fact that Weissmandl continues to give his "ashirah" to AP's operations to this day!
As I said elsewhere, it's "Who you gonna believe; me or your lying eyes?"
HE WAS THE OLNY ONE WHO SAID ALL THESE YEARS THAT SHEVACH MEAT IS NOT KOSHER AND EVERY BODY CONSIDERD HIM CRAZY I THINK NOW WE SHOULD TAKE SIRUS HIS WARNING
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 2:00 PM
: September 26, 2006 2:00 PM
I do not know who this Shain is, but one thing I do know is that he had his interview on the phone with the maniac ''Goldberger'' from Monroe who made a sefer ''DOR HUACHRIN''.He is a known hater of all Erliche Yiden. if you do not believe me listen to his hot line on what he said a few months ago on the night of the Satmar Rebbe's Levayah..he made statements that is not even fit to print here.he is a depraved maniac, I am not a Satmar Chasid and it nauseated me on what he said on the Rebbe Z'TL.
Well if Shain made his interview on this Jew Haters hotline which is full of hatred for erliche yiden then you can only conclude from this who this Shain is..
Well if Shain made his interview on this Jew Haters hotline which is full of hatred for erliche yiden then you can only conclude from this who this Shain is..
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 2:51 PM
: September 26, 2006 2:51 PM
This is the real story on PETA. Yossie Rubashkin found out that by giving a 'yank' on the trachea, you move the lungs a fraction of an inch, just enough to pull the adhesions (sirchos) from the lungs, This increases the glatt animals that you shecht.
It was all for the money. He got a Psak Halacha for Hefsed Merubah to do this a few years ago.
Look at the shochet in the PETA videos. It takes 8-10 times to go across the neck with the knife. Granted, you may shecht 'KOL HAYOM KULO", all day long, but it means that the shochtim do NOT know how to sharpen their knives.
Please - do not quote the Shulchan Aruch to me. I have been a shochet long enough to know that if you want a way out to do anything, there is a way out between the Shach and the Taz. I learned Shechita in order to feed my family and to send my kids to Yeshiva. I did not do it to enrich myself at the expense of others.
The Rubashkins have a lot to learn about Kashrus, business ethics, etc.
It was all for the money. He got a Psak Halacha for Hefsed Merubah to do this a few years ago.
Look at the shochet in the PETA videos. It takes 8-10 times to go across the neck with the knife. Granted, you may shecht 'KOL HAYOM KULO", all day long, but it means that the shochtim do NOT know how to sharpen their knives.
Please - do not quote the Shulchan Aruch to me. I have been a shochet long enough to know that if you want a way out to do anything, there is a way out between the Shach and the Taz. I learned Shechita in order to feed my family and to send my kids to Yeshiva. I did not do it to enrich myself at the expense of others.
The Rubashkins have a lot to learn about Kashrus, business ethics, etc.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 26, 2006 5:17 PM
: September 26, 2006 5:17 PM
I don't know enough to take a stand on Rubashkin, but, yes I do feel a bit queesy sometimes.I eat their meat, although I would rather not.
Anyway, the two posters, Hirshel Tzig and Runamok are LUBAVITCHERS and very partisan about their 'new' religion (at least in the Tzigs case, the other guy is probably a recent ba'al tshiva who doesn't know bechayeichon uveyoimechon...)Their comment and testimony are worthless for anybody who wants an objective opinion.
Anyway, the two posters, Hirshel Tzig and Runamok are LUBAVITCHERS and very partisan about their 'new' religion (at least in the Tzigs case, the other guy is probably a recent ba'al tshiva who doesn't know bechayeichon uveyoimechon...)Their comment and testimony are worthless for anybody who wants an objective opinion.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 27, 2006 2:04 AM
: September 27, 2006 2:04 AM
Camp Runamok said...
"Remember PETA? They proved that Rubashkin meat is only Kosher b'dieved."
"I see, never mind the fact that Rabbonei Machshir from a half-dozen Kashrus organizations signed a letter at that time stating that the Kashrus of Agriprocessors meat "was never impacted"."
Of course the Rabbonim said that it was good. Would the OU say otherwise on a place that gives them so much Parnosa? Ask any shochet to look at the video - of course it is Kosher B'Dieved, not L'chatchila.
THERE ARE NO BREUERS SHOCHTIM THERE. They already lost the Breuers hechsher on the chickens. Didn't we learn not to trust people who have someone elses plumbas?
YIDDEN - WAKE UP. We see all of this smoke about Rubashkin, the alarm bells have been ringing for 5 years. What are we waiting for - the fire itself? By then it will be too late.
"Remember PETA? They proved that Rubashkin meat is only Kosher b'dieved."
"I see, never mind the fact that Rabbonei Machshir from a half-dozen Kashrus organizations signed a letter at that time stating that the Kashrus of Agriprocessors meat "was never impacted"."
Of course the Rabbonim said that it was good. Would the OU say otherwise on a place that gives them so much Parnosa? Ask any shochet to look at the video - of course it is Kosher B'Dieved, not L'chatchila.
THERE ARE NO BREUERS SHOCHTIM THERE. They already lost the Breuers hechsher on the chickens. Didn't we learn not to trust people who have someone elses plumbas?
YIDDEN - WAKE UP. We see all of this smoke about Rubashkin, the alarm bells have been ringing for 5 years. What are we waiting for - the fire itself? By then it will be too late.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 27, 2006 9:26 AM
: September 27, 2006 9:26 AM
If you shoot enough bullets 1 or 2 are bound to hit. This guy Shain hit Shevach & Rubashkin. Do you know that Rubashkin animals have a higher glatt ratio than any other slaughterhouse in the USA. The y must have qualoty animals (or the best Rabbi's money can buy)
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 27, 2006 3:43 PM
: September 27, 2006 3:43 PM
This whole story in Monsey makes me laugh so hard. I feel personally exonerated over the kashrus scandal I was involved in. I am refering to the cruise in the Inner Harbor some years back in which 250 frum people were eating treif after I broke the 50 year old takane of Rav Shvartz ZT"L, a former Rav of the city. I feiffed un the takane against giving hashgachas to food companys that sell both treif and kosher. Rav Shvartz ZT"L was afraid of mixups and fraud. Maybe he was right, but I saw a financial opportunity in breaking the takane. A few weeks later there was the mixup and all those people were eating treif. Ever since people refused to forget what I had done. That is until now. The Monsey scandal is like pie from the sky. I just love it. Also, I am waiting to see if Rav Shternbuch from the Eida Hachraidis is going to write a nasty letter attacking the rabbonim in Monsey, the way he wrote a letter against me saying I am not a nehman on kashrus. Thank you so much Rabbi Moshe Finkel. You have made me so happy. Finally, after so many years people will stop talking against me. You could't have done me a bigger favor. I just can't stop laughing. Rabbi Moshe Finkel, I owe you one. Hatzlacha.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 28, 2006 12:37 AM
: September 28, 2006 12:37 AM
Chaptzem
You should know better then posting the above post from a mnivel trying to make fun of a rov
You should know better then posting the above post from a mnivel trying to make fun of a rov
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 28, 2006 2:34 AM
: September 28, 2006 2:34 AM
"Of course the Rabbonim said that it was good. Would the OU say otherwise on a place that gives them so much Parnosa?"
You don't know what you are talking about.
The OU supervises THOUSANDS of food production operations around the world. Losing AP would be but a drop in the financial bucket and, given the global demand for meat with an OU hechsher, would likely be replaced by another source on short order. For AP, however, losing the OU would basically be the end of their entire business and they know it. So spare us the $$iluf argument as it fails the hee-haw test.
"THERE ARE NO BREUERS SHOCHTIM THERE."
There are none at Empire either. Your point is what, exactly?
"They already lost the Breuers hechsher on the chickens."
The KAJ was prominently displayed on the Aaron's chickens I saw on display last night. Again, do I believe you or my lying eyes?
"Didn't we learn not to trust people who have someone elses plumbas?"
Again, you know nothing of what you speak. How many "heimishce" marked products approved by Nitra, Nirbater, Volover, etc. actually have mashgichim of those orgs. in the plants? To a man they all rely on the OU/OK/Chof-K/Star-K/etc. supervision operations alreay in place. And the Rabbonei Machshirim of the Heimishe marks accept their say so as if it were their own. "People who have someone elses plumbas" are a fact of life in today's kashrus community. Deal with it or don't eat anything you did not make yourself from scratch.
You don't know what you are talking about.
The OU supervises THOUSANDS of food production operations around the world. Losing AP would be but a drop in the financial bucket and, given the global demand for meat with an OU hechsher, would likely be replaced by another source on short order. For AP, however, losing the OU would basically be the end of their entire business and they know it. So spare us the $$iluf argument as it fails the hee-haw test.
"THERE ARE NO BREUERS SHOCHTIM THERE."
There are none at Empire either. Your point is what, exactly?
"They already lost the Breuers hechsher on the chickens."
The KAJ was prominently displayed on the Aaron's chickens I saw on display last night. Again, do I believe you or my lying eyes?
"Didn't we learn not to trust people who have someone elses plumbas?"
Again, you know nothing of what you speak. How many "heimishce" marked products approved by Nitra, Nirbater, Volover, etc. actually have mashgichim of those orgs. in the plants? To a man they all rely on the OU/OK/Chof-K/Star-K/etc. supervision operations alreay in place. And the Rabbonei Machshirim of the Heimishe marks accept their say so as if it were their own. "People who have someone elses plumbas" are a fact of life in today's kashrus community. Deal with it or don't eat anything you did not make yourself from scratch.
Runamok
you are such a Lubavitch lackey.Why do you bother coming to heimishe sites?Aren't there enough of your Lubavitch/meshichist etc ones.
Let us be.Eat to your hearts content.Gezunterheit
you are such a Lubavitch lackey.Why do you bother coming to heimishe sites?Aren't there enough of your Lubavitch/meshichist etc ones.
Let us be.Eat to your hearts content.Gezunterheit
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 29, 2006 4:11 AM
: September 29, 2006 4:11 AM
CAMP RUNAMUCK said
"Of course the Rabbonim said that it was good. Would the OU say otherwise on a place that gives them so much Parnosa?"
You don't know what you are talking about. "
Touchy, touchy. This is not about me or you - this is about Kashrus and Ne'emanus.
After the PETA videos came out, Rabbi Menachem Genack and others went down to Agri and laced it into the Rubashkins. The meetings that went on back in New York with the OU and RCA were screaming matches. They were never so embarresed before. Lundy's (who was treif) did not embaress them as much. They realized, (like they did with Chaimowitz) that they did not visit the plant in YEARS. They had 2 choices - admit that the practices were wrong, or say that nothing was wrong. Which one did you think they chose?
Rabbi Yehuda Kravitz was the head of the meat department of the OU for many years. He always sang the praises of the Rubashkins UNTIL he left the OU and went to Florida. Then, he started talking about the problems.
I will refute everything else that you said after Yom Kippur.
Do not make this personal. Eid Echad Ne'eman Bisurrim
"Of course the Rabbonim said that it was good. Would the OU say otherwise on a place that gives them so much Parnosa?"
You don't know what you are talking about. "
Touchy, touchy. This is not about me or you - this is about Kashrus and Ne'emanus.
After the PETA videos came out, Rabbi Menachem Genack and others went down to Agri and laced it into the Rubashkins. The meetings that went on back in New York with the OU and RCA were screaming matches. They were never so embarresed before. Lundy's (who was treif) did not embaress them as much. They realized, (like they did with Chaimowitz) that they did not visit the plant in YEARS. They had 2 choices - admit that the practices were wrong, or say that nothing was wrong. Which one did you think they chose?
Rabbi Yehuda Kravitz was the head of the meat department of the OU for many years. He always sang the praises of the Rubashkins UNTIL he left the OU and went to Florida. Then, he started talking about the problems.
I will refute everything else that you said after Yom Kippur.
Do not make this personal. Eid Echad Ne'eman Bisurrim
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 29, 2006 8:27 AM
: September 29, 2006 8:27 AM
"Rav W", You are trying to change the subject. You slandered the OU and their Rabbonim by insinuating that there would be a major financial loss associated with losing Agriprocessor supervision. I responded with a counterargument why that was not the case. Your latest story about who-might-have-said-what-to-who-else does not back up your financial conflict-of-interest assertion in the least. If you cannot answer my challenge then say so.
AFA the internal arguments between OU/RCA/etc. that is their provenance and should not concern us. All that matters is the final p'sak. Any discussion of 2nd hand reports amount to just kibitzing and rumor-mongering and should be disregarded. You know this as well. And spare us the "Eid Echad Ne'eman Bisurrim" canned-ham talking points as we are not dealing with testimony in front of a Beis Din but "veNafak Aleiah Kalah". VDL.
Volvo,
"you are such a Lubavitch lackey..."
Oh, I am so hurt the Agmas Nefesh is just KILLING me...
Look, buddy, if you have personal problems with what I might look like, say during davening or what I have to say here then just don't read my comments. If Mr. Chaptzem feels my comments are germane he will publish them. It is his forum after all and not yours. If you feel you have to censor me then get your own blog and do it there to your heart's content. BTW, is that KJ chicken salty enough today?
AFA the internal arguments between OU/RCA/etc. that is their provenance and should not concern us. All that matters is the final p'sak. Any discussion of 2nd hand reports amount to just kibitzing and rumor-mongering and should be disregarded. You know this as well. And spare us the "Eid Echad Ne'eman Bisurrim" canned-ham talking points as we are not dealing with testimony in front of a Beis Din but "veNafak Aleiah Kalah". VDL.
Volvo,
"you are such a Lubavitch lackey..."
Oh, I am so hurt the Agmas Nefesh is just KILLING me...
Look, buddy, if you have personal problems with what I might look like, say during davening or what I have to say here then just don't read my comments. If Mr. Chaptzem feels my comments are germane he will publish them. It is his forum after all and not yours. If you feel you have to censor me then get your own blog and do it there to your heart's content. BTW, is that KJ chicken salty enough today?
there is a lot bigger problem out there than kashrus -the ERUV
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : September 29, 2006 4:43 PM
: September 29, 2006 4:43 PM
Camp Runamok said...
"Rav W", You are trying to change the subject. You slandered the OU and their Rabbonim by insinuating that there would be a major financial loss associated with losing Agriprocessor supervision. I responded with a counterargument why that was not the case. Your latest story about who-might-have-said-what-to-who-else does not back up your financial conflict-of-interest assertion in the least. If you cannot answer my challenge then say so.
The amount that Rubashkin pays to the OU is in excess of $115,000 per year. They accumulate this fee because of the numerous places that they shecht in.
The OU - RCA meetings were real. I was there.
"Camp Runamok" was the name that we called Camp Gan Yisroel, the Lubavitch camp in White Lake.
I see that you are a Lubavitch sympathizer (to put it mildly). Anything that anyone says will not effect you because either the Rebbe is Moshiach or, as you said,
" All that matters is the final p'sak."
How wrong you are. The same problem can get different p'sak halachos issued because of different circumstances. The HEFSED MERUBAH claim of Rubashkin in many cases that I have seen would not get to first base with Alle and the Nirbater Rav.
As far as I am concerned, this discussion is closed, You and I are the only ones reading it and, frankly, as a Lubavitch, you are nogea b'davar. You 'threw mw a chalenge'. What Shtus.
Give my regards to Yossi Rubashkin.
"Rav W", You are trying to change the subject. You slandered the OU and their Rabbonim by insinuating that there would be a major financial loss associated with losing Agriprocessor supervision. I responded with a counterargument why that was not the case. Your latest story about who-might-have-said-what-to-who-else does not back up your financial conflict-of-interest assertion in the least. If you cannot answer my challenge then say so.
The amount that Rubashkin pays to the OU is in excess of $115,000 per year. They accumulate this fee because of the numerous places that they shecht in.
The OU - RCA meetings were real. I was there.
"Camp Runamok" was the name that we called Camp Gan Yisroel, the Lubavitch camp in White Lake.
I see that you are a Lubavitch sympathizer (to put it mildly). Anything that anyone says will not effect you because either the Rebbe is Moshiach or, as you said,
" All that matters is the final p'sak."
How wrong you are. The same problem can get different p'sak halachos issued because of different circumstances. The HEFSED MERUBAH claim of Rubashkin in many cases that I have seen would not get to first base with Alle and the Nirbater Rav.
As far as I am concerned, this discussion is closed, You and I are the only ones reading it and, frankly, as a Lubavitch, you are nogea b'davar. You 'threw mw a chalenge'. What Shtus.
Give my regards to Yossi Rubashkin.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 01, 2006 8:29 AM
: October 01, 2006 8:29 AM
Bravo Rav W. At last we can read what appears to be the truth.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 01, 2006 10:57 AM
: October 01, 2006 10:57 AM
Why no link. You provided a link with the Hatzoloh pictures to a site you characterized as anti semitic, but refuse to provide a link to yudel's site. Is this because you fear people may actually find the other side of the story.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 03, 2006 8:50 PM
: October 03, 2006 8:50 PM
Yudel is a fruad everyone in Lakewood knows that. His latest scandal is with the Kapporos in Lakewood. He put out a letter claiming that the shochet at Mehaderin Kaporos (5th st. by Bezalel) used a knife that the Satmar Dayan said had a pegima. This was a blatant lie and the Satmar Dayan put a letter saying that it is untrue. Later the oilam found out that Yudel is a shutaf in the competeing Kaporos run by Mordche Schwartz. He was signed on the invoice for the chicken. You can not trust him on anything. He has an agenda and will do anything to further it.
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 05, 2006 5:08 PM
: October 05, 2006 5:08 PM
somesaid that rubashkin meat was availible 10 years ago in lakewood:
that was part of the reason why it didn't come through, Ribashkin was willing to negotiate on new places not on the existing one's he wanted commission on EVERYTHING that is sold in lakewood
that was part of the reason why it didn't come through, Ribashkin was willing to negotiate on new places not on the existing one's he wanted commission on EVERYTHING that is sold in lakewood
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : October 16, 2006 1:39 PM
: October 16, 2006 1:39 PM
DEAR BLOGGER.WHAT A NAUGHTY RABBI.SOME RABBI..A BLOOD SUCKER,A MAFIOSI.
ONLY SUCH A DRECK CAN RUIN A JEW BREADWINNER.WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE THOUSANDS THAT RUBASHKIN'S MEATS AND POULTRY ENABLED THEM TO HAVE MEAT AT NORMAL PRICES ON EVERY WEEK,
THIS TYPE OF A RABBI?HE IS LIKE THAT RABBI THAT WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY MARRIES OFF A BIGAMIST OR NOEFS TO SAY THE LEAST.WHAT ABOUT THOSE NON RELIGIOUS JEWS WHO USED TO BUY RUBASHKIN'S AND NOW WONT SINCE THE SHECHITA OF VINELAND IS TOO EXPENSIVE,
ALL THE RABBIS OF VINELAND ARE CORRUPT,THE SATMAR HULIGAN AARON DOESNT LET PEOPLE THAT BELONGED TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY BE BURIED UNLESS THEY PAY 12,000 DOLLARS,NO MATTER WHETHER THEY PAID THEIR DUES OR NOT,DOES HE OWN THE LAND?ABSOLUTELY?-NO.CORRUPTION IS A LIVE AND WELL,IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY ,AND THE SATMAR MAFIA IS CELEBRATING ITS VICTORY,UNLESS,ONE OF YOU YIDDEN,OPEN YOUR MOUTH YOU AREDOOMED!
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ONLY SUCH A DRECK CAN RUIN A JEW BREADWINNER.WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE THOUSANDS THAT RUBASHKIN'S MEATS AND POULTRY ENABLED THEM TO HAVE MEAT AT NORMAL PRICES ON EVERY WEEK,
THIS TYPE OF A RABBI?HE IS LIKE THAT RABBI THAT WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY MARRIES OFF A BIGAMIST OR NOEFS TO SAY THE LEAST.WHAT ABOUT THOSE NON RELIGIOUS JEWS WHO USED TO BUY RUBASHKIN'S AND NOW WONT SINCE THE SHECHITA OF VINELAND IS TOO EXPENSIVE,
ALL THE RABBIS OF VINELAND ARE CORRUPT,THE SATMAR HULIGAN AARON DOESNT LET PEOPLE THAT BELONGED TO HIS OWN COMMUNITY BE BURIED UNLESS THEY PAY 12,000 DOLLARS,NO MATTER WHETHER THEY PAID THEIR DUES OR NOT,DOES HE OWN THE LAND?ABSOLUTELY?-NO.CORRUPTION IS A LIVE AND WELL,IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY ,AND THE SATMAR MAFIA IS CELEBRATING ITS VICTORY,UNLESS,ONE OF YOU YIDDEN,OPEN YOUR MOUTH YOU AREDOOMED!
Comment Credit ---This article posted by : June 11, 2009 1:31 PM
: June 11, 2009 1:31 PM
